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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.moillusions.com/2006/03/impossible-triangle-illusion-no2.html/comment-page-3#comment-84683</link>
		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite simple to figure out.  The slope of the hypotenuse of the two triangles are not equal.  The smaller green triangle&#039;s hypotenuse has a slope of 2/5 while the larger red triangle has a slope of 3/8.  Since these slopes are not equal, then the hypotenuse of the assembled triangle is not a straight line.  

   In the top figure the long hypotenuse is actually concave (bowing inward) while in the bottom figure the hypotenuse is convex (bowing outward) making the contained area of the lower triangle greater than that of the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite simple to figure out.  The slope of the hypotenuse of the two triangles are not equal.  The smaller green triangle&#8217;s hypotenuse has a slope of 2/5 while the larger red triangle has a slope of 3/8.  Since these slopes are not equal, then the hypotenuse of the assembled triangle is not a straight line.  </p>
<p>   In the top figure the long hypotenuse is actually concave (bowing inward) while in the bottom figure the hypotenuse is convex (bowing outward) making the contained area of the lower triangle greater than that of the top.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>long story short, anyone smart enough to recognise the problem already knows the answer.  two of the same shapes cant have a different area... so whatever cant be true, isn&#039;t.  the shapes are either different, or the area is the same.  in this case the shapes are different. END OF STORY.

but ill keep talking anyways

if simple theory doesnt work on you you can do as one person did somewhere above and prove it with simple geometry. he figured it out by calculating all dimensions looking for the inconsistency, and found it.. a different angle on the two triangle.
    
you cannot argue that you built the pieces and it still works, because that is 100% correct, you will accomplish the exact same effect.  the illusion here isnt how it is drawn, its just taking a small area, hiding it over a long distance or focusing it in a small space, the small angle is just real hard to see with the eye, and will be only hidden better by trying to tape little pieces of cut out paper together.  now if you cut these out v ery accurately, and large enough to work with, and very accurately traces the perimiter, rearanged them as shown, you would see a gap totaling the same area develop, spread out along what is a bent line.   basically a waste of time thought, all you did was copy what was already shown on your screen.


some of you are making this way way too complicated, others are too stupid to understand the problem.  the trick to this isnt math, geometry, trig, its simple theory.  the area an object cannot dissapear by rearranging pieces of it, but the resulting shape can change.  so the shape of the two triangles MUST be different.  and it is.

 the missing area is hidden along the length of the hypotenuse by the different angle created.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>long story short, anyone smart enough to recognise the problem already knows the answer.  two of the same shapes cant have a different area&#8230; so whatever cant be true, isn&#8217;t.  the shapes are either different, or the area is the same.  in this case the shapes are different. END OF STORY.</p>
<p>but ill keep talking anyways</p>
<p>if simple theory doesnt work on you you can do as one person did somewhere above and prove it with simple geometry. he figured it out by calculating all dimensions looking for the inconsistency, and found it.. a different angle on the two triangle.</p>
<p>you cannot argue that you built the pieces and it still works, because that is 100% correct, you will accomplish the exact same effect.  the illusion here isnt how it is drawn, its just taking a small area, hiding it over a long distance or focusing it in a small space, the small angle is just real hard to see with the eye, and will be only hidden better by trying to tape little pieces of cut out paper together.  now if you cut these out v ery accurately, and large enough to work with, and very accurately traces the perimiter, rearanged them as shown, you would see a gap totaling the same area develop, spread out along what is a bent line.   basically a waste of time thought, all you did was copy what was already shown on your screen.</p>
<p>some of you are making this way way too complicated, others are too stupid to understand the problem.  the trick to this isnt math, geometry, trig, its simple theory.  the area an object cannot dissapear by rearranging pieces of it, but the resulting shape can change.  so the shape of the two triangles MUST be different.  and it is.</p>
<p> the missing area is hidden along the length of the hypotenuse by the different angle created.</p>
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		<title>By: dido1983</title>
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		<dc:creator>dido1983</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[i]Anonymous says:
February 23, 2009 at 10:36 pm
OK, now, after reading almost all, and I say almost so that i dont insult someone i think you are ALL WRONG. The key here is not trigonometry, nor in the triangles. Let me explain. I think the answer is this – surface area and circumference are NOT in direct relation. This would mean that objects with the same circumference can have different surface area and the other way around. So – Leave the triangles aside, the difference in the two pictures is not their surface area. Its their circumference. Look closely. If you count the squares, their number is the same in both picures, its just that in the bottom picture the overall circumference of the figure is greater. Again to make i easier I will leave the triangles, they are there for confusion and go down to the numbers.
In the first picture, we have a rectangle with a surface are of 3×5 = 15
Now. In the second we have a figure that is not an exact rectagle (look only at the coloured part) but this figure stil has a surface area of 15 (just count the coloured squares). So where is the difference?As i said the difference is in the circumference. the first figure (the rectangle) has a circ. of 2×3 + 2×5 = 16 while the second has 2×8 + 2 = 18. (If you a re wondering why I add 2, I will explain. I calculated the circ. of the rectangle with sides – 2 and 8. then subtracted the non coloured bit, which was 1 (remember we are talking about sides, now squares here), but had to add 3, which is the number of coloured sides, all in all -1 + 3 therefore +2. I hope you got it. To sum up. The key in this is the question. And almost all you had it WRONG. the two coloured figures actualy have THE SAME SURFACE AREA. Question is why do two different circumference-s belong two figures with same surface areas? Now proving that in generalall cases is much tougher, but you can make it look easier with a simple exercise. Imagine a cube with a side =4. Now this has a circ = 16 and a surface area again = 16. now draw a rectagnle with a side A = 2, and B = 6. What do you notice. They have the same circ.-s = 16, but the surface area of the second is 2×6 = 12 which is NOT 16. There you go. All non linear conspiracy theories are refuted.[/i]

So, dude... if you can&#039;t figure out why the apparently straight line isn&#039;t really straight, you can pick your favorite ruler and see this for yourself. Or maybe they&#039;re not that straight anymore? It&#039;s a fact, not a theory. With trigonometry, you can (on theory) see exactly which portions of the elements form the missing square.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[i]Anonymous says:<br />
February 23, 2009 at 10:36 pm<br />
OK, now, after reading almost all, and I say almost so that i dont insult someone i think you are ALL WRONG. The key here is not trigonometry, nor in the triangles. Let me explain. I think the answer is this – surface area and circumference are NOT in direct relation. This would mean that objects with the same circumference can have different surface area and the other way around. So – Leave the triangles aside, the difference in the two pictures is not their surface area. Its their circumference. Look closely. If you count the squares, their number is the same in both picures, its just that in the bottom picture the overall circumference of the figure is greater. Again to make i easier I will leave the triangles, they are there for confusion and go down to the numbers.<br />
In the first picture, we have a rectangle with a surface are of 3×5 = 15<br />
Now. In the second we have a figure that is not an exact rectagle (look only at the coloured part) but this figure stil has a surface area of 15 (just count the coloured squares). So where is the difference?As i said the difference is in the circumference. the first figure (the rectangle) has a circ. of 2×3 + 2×5 = 16 while the second has 2×8 + 2 = 18. (If you a re wondering why I add 2, I will explain. I calculated the circ. of the rectangle with sides – 2 and 8. then subtracted the non coloured bit, which was 1 (remember we are talking about sides, now squares here), but had to add 3, which is the number of coloured sides, all in all -1 + 3 therefore +2. I hope you got it. To sum up. The key in this is the question. And almost all you had it WRONG. the two coloured figures actualy have THE SAME SURFACE AREA. Question is why do two different circumference-s belong two figures with same surface areas? Now proving that in generalall cases is much tougher, but you can make it look easier with a simple exercise. Imagine a cube with a side =4. Now this has a circ = 16 and a surface area again = 16. now draw a rectagnle with a side A = 2, and B = 6. What do you notice. They have the same circ.-s = 16, but the surface area of the second is 2×6 = 12 which is NOT 16. There you go. All non linear conspiracy theories are refuted.[/i]</p>
<p>So, dude&#8230; if you can&#8217;t figure out why the apparently straight line isn&#8217;t really straight, you can pick your favorite ruler and see this for yourself. Or maybe they&#8217;re not that straight anymore? It&#8217;s a fact, not a theory. With trigonometry, you can (on theory) see exactly which portions of the elements form the missing square.</p>
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		<title>By: dido1983</title>
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		<dc:creator>dido1983</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;whole&quot; triangle is not REAL triangle, it&#039;s just a look-alike.

The red&amp;green triangles appear to be similiar (to have equal angles), but actually their angles differ. If you assume all the sizes of the shapes (which form the whole picture) are determined exactly by the number of squares they occupy, you can easily calculate the angles of the red&amp;green triangles, using trigonometry.

This is a mathematical proof that the hypotenuse of the top (whole) triangle is not actually a straight line, which means that this object is actually not a triangle, which means that its area cannot be calculated (accurately) with the &quot;right-triangle-formula&quot;, but rather &quot;the-sum-of-its-parts&quot; approach should be used.

The conundrum here is that, the point where the red&amp;green triangles meet appears to be exactly on top of the grid, which gives the erroneous impression that their sides are well-defined. In reallity, this picture is ambiguous. If the grid represents the sizes accurately, then the sides of the red&amp;green triangles can&#039;t be measured with whole numbers (integers), but irrational numbers should be used instead.

So... my conclusion is that:
1) The &quot;whole&quot; triangle is not REALLY triangle (its hypotenuse isn&#039;t straight line)
2) If you get a grid of squares and draw a STRAIGHT line in such a way that it forms the hypotenuse of a right triangle with sides 5 and 13, you&#039;ll notice that this line doesn&#039;t go through any of the grid intersection-points (it will come close, but not exactly over where the grid lines intersect)
3)This is one EXCELLENT visual illusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;whole&#8221; triangle is not REAL triangle, it&#8217;s just a look-alike.</p>
<p>The red&amp;green triangles appear to be similiar (to have equal angles), but actually their angles differ. If you assume all the sizes of the shapes (which form the whole picture) are determined exactly by the number of squares they occupy, you can easily calculate the angles of the red&amp;green triangles, using trigonometry.</p>
<p>This is a mathematical proof that the hypotenuse of the top (whole) triangle is not actually a straight line, which means that this object is actually not a triangle, which means that its area cannot be calculated (accurately) with the &#8220;right-triangle-formula&#8221;, but rather &#8220;the-sum-of-its-parts&#8221; approach should be used.</p>
<p>The conundrum here is that, the point where the red&amp;green triangles meet appears to be exactly on top of the grid, which gives the erroneous impression that their sides are well-defined. In reallity, this picture is ambiguous. If the grid represents the sizes accurately, then the sides of the red&amp;green triangles can&#8217;t be measured with whole numbers (integers), but irrational numbers should be used instead.</p>
<p>So&#8230; my conclusion is that:<br />
1) The &#8220;whole&#8221; triangle is not REALLY triangle (its hypotenuse isn&#8217;t straight line)<br />
2) If you get a grid of squares and draw a STRAIGHT line in such a way that it forms the hypotenuse of a right triangle with sides 5 and 13, you&#8217;ll notice that this line doesn&#8217;t go through any of the grid intersection-points (it will come close, but not exactly over where the grid lines intersect)<br />
3)This is one EXCELLENT visual illusion.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you take the smaller triangles and do a little trigonometry on them, you will see they are not similar.  The smallest angle on the small triangle is 21.8 degrees, the big (red) triangle has an angle of 20.6 degrees.  I tried roughly sketching this out on graph paper, and they appeared similar, but a difference of 1.2 degrees is imperceptible.  

If you take the top shape and kind of fold it over on the bottom shape, so that the green triangles and the red triangles make a 2x5 rectangle and a 3x8 rectangle, respectively, then you can see this more clearly.  You get a 5x13 rectangle with one piece missing, because the area of 5x13 is 65 and the areas of all the colored shapes only adds up to 64.

There is no bending, just dissimilar triangles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you take the smaller triangles and do a little trigonometry on them, you will see they are not similar.  The smallest angle on the small triangle is 21.8 degrees, the big (red) triangle has an angle of 20.6 degrees.  I tried roughly sketching this out on graph paper, and they appeared similar, but a difference of 1.2 degrees is imperceptible.  </p>
<p>If you take the top shape and kind of fold it over on the bottom shape, so that the green triangles and the red triangles make a 2&#215;5 rectangle and a 3&#215;8 rectangle, respectively, then you can see this more clearly.  You get a 5&#215;13 rectangle with one piece missing, because the area of 5&#215;13 is 65 and the areas of all the colored shapes only adds up to 64.</p>
<p>There is no bending, just dissimilar triangles.</p>
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		<title>By: ethan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and 1 more thing the bend is just making people think the wrong thing (only the tryangles are bent) if u cut out your own  shapes like i did u can see for yourself</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and 1 more thing the bend is just making people think the wrong thing (only the tryangles are bent) if u cut out your own  shapes like i did u can see for yourself</p>
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		<title>By: ethan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>somthing u dont notis is the tryangles are bent diffrently but 1 thing id like to say is that i cut out the shapes out of a peice of paper and re aranged them and got the same illusions. savy? (savy means ok)      



READ THIS FOR THE TRUTH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>somthing u dont notis is the tryangles are bent diffrently but 1 thing id like to say is that i cut out the shapes out of a peice of paper and re aranged them and got the same illusions. savy? (savy means ok)      </p>
<p>READ THIS FOR THE TRUTH</p>
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		<title>By: hagelslag</title>
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		<dc:creator>hagelslag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can buy a similar problem in the form of a wooden puzzle: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/games/be62/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can buy a similar problem in the form of a wooden puzzle: <a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/games/be62/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/games/be62/</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Lion king kid</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Lion king kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it.:s</description>
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		<title>By: john forester</title>
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		<dc:creator>john forester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 02:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops - i spelled accommodate wrong!</description>
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